Are Australian Gun Grabbers the Worst Mass Murderers in the Country’s history?

Australia had buyback programs in 1996 and 2003. Both compulsory programs involved compensation being paid to the owners of firearms that had been made illegal by gun law changes.

This private property had to be surrendered to the government for destruction.

The 1996 “National Firearms Buyback Program” took 660,959 firearms out of private hands. Being mostly semi-automatic rimfire rifles and shotguns. Some pump-action shotguns and a smaller proportion of the invented class of ‘Military type semi-automatic rifles’.

The Australian Constitution requires that the Commonwealth pay ‘Just compensation’ when crushing the rights of its citizens. So they paid $500,000,000.00 to shooters for the weapons handed in.

That is half a billion dollars.

The Government increased the Medicare levy to finance the buyback program.

So what did snatching away shooters rights and wasting half a billion dollars achieve for the sun soaked nation? Well, nothing really.

It has terrorism with guns. It has significant offending with illegal guns and experts claiming that the tyrannical gun grab has had zero meaningful effect on reducing gun crime.

BUT… This is not a zero sum game.

If that health money had been spent on health – Crazy I know but come with me here – how many lives would that have saved?

We have called several major hospitals and others in the health care industry to see if anyone could answer the question “How many lives does an extra million dollars in the budget save?” None could answer.

So let’s just explore some numbers.

The cost of surgery in Australia differs greatly depending on where you live. NSW is very expensive. Let’s look at the cost of treating heart failure with complications. This is ranging from $7500 to $24,800. Let’s take the most expensive option of one of the most expensive treatments and round it up to twenty five thousand.

There was a damning report from that same state that hit the headlines only a few weeks ago. It showed that more than 2000 people had died before they could have the elective surgery that they needed. It also found that waiting times in their hospitals were among the worst in the country.

So let’s do some simple math.

Fifty million would have paid for all those people to get the healthcare that they needed, without delay. Saving two thousand lives.

That is the annual return that you would get if you simply invested half a billion dollars.

You could save over two thousand lives every year.

Forever.

In the year of the gun buy back program, there were 500 gun killings in Australia. This number had been falling, consistently, for many years. The trend has continued to about half that number today.

Even so – if you pretend that the gun grab was responsible for this reduction – it wasn’t – then in the first twenty years after the law change the left still owe us 40,000 Australian lives.

Maybe it is less lives. Maybe it is more. If you aimed half a billion at a disease you may be able to wipe it out and save millions.

In America they never mention the lives SAVED by gun ownership each year. The good people saved from rape and murder and robbery. That is the nature of liberal math.

My point here is that stupid costs.

Not just rights and our sport. But lives.

So don’t compromise with stupid.

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Here are two important facts:

  1. Australia now has MORE guns than before the gun buy back. Their firearm imports hit a record high in 2014-15.
  2. They are in the hands of LESS shooters. The proportion of Australian households with a gun fell by 75 per cent between 1988 and 2005.

The million guns destroyed have been replaced with 1,026,000 new ones. However the population growth over the past 20 years means the rate of private gun ownership remains about 23 per cent lower.

Despite those increases in gun numbers, Aussie has seen steady declines in firearm misuse. Gun deaths fell by about 32 per cent between 1981 and 1996 and 64 per cent between 1996 and 2014.

Homicide and suicide by firearm have been falling since the 1980s.

Armed robbery with a firearm, drive-by shootings and shoot with intent have also continued to fall.

So what do the gun grabber say to these numbers?

They say that single shot guns were always the biggest issue – even before the semi auto / pump action gun ban – so we really just need to ban them all.

They never stop.

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A case study to prove the futility of punishing shooters for the crimes of others:

Not long ago the Australia Post office in Sylvania Waters became an international crime scene. Criminals were using it to smuggle Glock pistols into the country. In numbers. Putting hundreds of illegal firearms into the hands of Sydney’s underworld.

Police have claimed that 300 brand new Austrian-made Glock handguns were involved. But who knows the real numbers. They were just disassembled in Germany, labels such ‘Plastic’ and ‘Metal’ were put on some boxes and then they were shipped to Sydney.

Customs missed the imports completely. Apparently undone by the boxes not being labeled ‘Illegal guns to be used for crime’.

The system was only discovered when a drive-by shooting suspect exposed the operation.

This is what half a billion dollars of gun buy back gets you.

Nothing.

OR – you can simply target the criminal demand for illegal guns. From any source.

45 responses to “Are Australian Gun Grabbers the Worst Mass Murderers in the Country’s history?”

  1. Well done. NZ has preserved freedom while Australia has surrendered to phobia and media pressure. If you’d like Philip Alpers back we’ll pay the postage! 🙂

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    1. Short 10 minute video on the Port Arthur Massacre. The comments section has a more in-depth firearm analysis.

      Episode 1, “Justice” In The Lucky Country – The Port Arthur Massacre

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  2. i had 40 firearms stolen in the buy back and got paid for half of them then 17 years later as a registered firearms dealer with all my firearms were listed by LSD the criminals used government lists being used to target owners and dealers i was robbed again 23 pistols
    after we trusted the govt with our guns and information we got screwed again

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  3. Well written, good old Malcolm Fraazer once spoke a half truth about gun related suicides stating that there had been a 75% drop with gun suicides which is true but this is misleading when it comes to suicides because suicides actually had risen and still are rising their just not using guns to commit suicide maybe they should of spent that 1/2 billion on helping to prevent suicides and they would have safed ten fold more lives than banning certain guns have.

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    1. Japan has banned guns and has a suicide rate much higher than the USA. It is such an issue that train companies are billing the families of the victims who throw themselves in the path of the machines. But the ‘Guns increase suicide’ myth endures. Thanks for the feedback. Im sure that there are many areas where this money could have saved lives. Waste is frustrating.

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  4. You better believe the Australian gun grabbers are the worst mass murderers in the country. They were behind the worst mass murder event in Australian history – the Port Arthur Massacre. I’m a retired barrister that did a lot of research into the available evidence and the evidence is overwhelming that Bryant did not do the massacre.

    Here’s a link to an article of some of the evidence – https://gumshoenews.com/2016/04/27/re-opening-martin-bryants-case-with-fresh-evidence/

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    1. Terry, I am a retired policeman who has read the transcripts of the ‘interview’ with Martin Bryant after that massacre. To my experience, that interview was conducted in a very ‘off handed’ manner, as if the police interviewers had already convinced themselves that Bryant was the offender.

      Upon reading the questions asked I just could not believe the amateur attitude so openly displayed, in my opinion, that the interviewing police assumed.

      I was not able to garner all the transcript, as some of it – I believe some of the most important parts – have been transcribed as unintelligible. But, that aside, there are other aspects to that ‘interview’ that transgress normal criminal investigation techniques, especially a crime of such magnitude as that of the Port Arthur massacre, and that would go beyond the scope of the rank and experience of the officers chosen to do that interview, whom I believe were inadequate for the task.

      There are other factors and standard procedures that were not adhered to, such as:

      Having a lawyer present or person of the accused’s choice during that interview. That having the psychiatric and psychologists report of that time that recommended Bryant to have the intellect of a a nine year old child should have vetoed any interview without at least a guardian present, and the fact that both actus rea and mens rea could not be formed from such an individual.

      But then there is the lack of any trial that could be expected for the survival of any person accused of such mass murder. I cannot believe that the legal fraternity stayed absolute mum on this aspect of what I would term, Australia’ greatest injustice.

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      1. Nemesis, I agree with you comments about the ‘interview’. There’s more to that record of interview that you may not be aware of – it is a cut-and-paste job of numerous interviews.

        When we (various investigators) looked at the interview we noticed apparent ‘gaps’ in the discussions, like some pages had been removed from the full text. It wasn’t until last year that we realized the ‘gaps’ were an artifact of the splicing done in the cut-and-paste job.

        The police stated back in 1996 that the video was lost in the interview, but the audio had survived. Then last year Willisee did a program on the 20th anniversary and showed various VIDEOS done during the alleged interview. It quickly became apparent why the police lost the videos back in 1996 – the videos were taken over DAYS if not WEEKS. The background changes, the chair Bryant is in changes, the interviewers change,

        At the end of the interview Bryant even laments that the whole process is coming to an end, he says, “I’ll miss yas”

        The record of interview is just one more bit of evidence of the fraud that went on in this case.

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      2. Nemesis, as a retired Police officer, you may find this article about the massacre interesting.

        “Permission denied. This has to happen”

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      3. Terry, one can only imagine at this time what would have come out if an inquest into the massacre had gone ahead.

        Thank you for that article which only leaves more questions to be explored. I note in that transcript of interview that not once is Bryant asked to identify who Jamie was. I would exclude any human error in that omission and amongst other things that incident at the Seascape Cottage, I have no doubt, is the key to unravelling the whole event.

        Find out who really were in that building and the whole thing then becomes exposed.

        What I do not understand is why the two constables who arrived outside Seascape Cottage at 4:30pm, had to ask permission to take out who they believed was the gunman. Were Tasmania Police at that time under instructions state wide to not exercise their discretion of when and where they could use their sidearm?

        And if they had received permission to shoot that ‘gunman’ how were they going to do that? Were they equipped with rifles? Or did they only have their sidearms – usually a Smith and Wesson .38 six shot revolver at that time?

        I ask that question because they were at least 50 metres away from the cottage and short barrelled firearms such as pistols, revolvers etc, do not have much accuracy past 40 metres.

        Then there is another aspect concerning those two attending police officers. It is routine in any police force that the officer attending any incident is the officer in charge of the matter until either the matter is completed at the time or he/she is relieved of that duty by a superior officer. So, it begs the question, why was permission sought by attending police for those police to simply do their duty?

        And if those two constables actions tend to raise my suspicions, why would anyone supposedly in charge of attending police actions then be so stupid as to give the whole thing given away by adding to ‘permission denied’ – ‘THIS HAS TO HAPPEN’, while talking over a very public Citizens Band Radio?

        Was that ‘supervisor’ deliberately trying expose what he felt very uncomfortable with or was he told to add that as further disinformation to later investigators.

        I have no doubt after ‘gathering’ what I have been able to obtain as ‘dots’ in a bigger picture that Port Arthur was a false flag operation carried out by an expertly trained close range shooter ‘asset’ that even our best SAS special forces would have trouble in emulating. And unless Martin Bryant is ambidextrous, has been able to fool the medical specialists for much of his life and can thoughtfully plan and execute a well planned massacre, then one must come to the conclusion that his part in this false flag event must have been minimal.

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      4. If the interviews went on for weeks, I would love to see the ‘out-takes’. One can only imagine the information that would be made available. For example, the Seascape tape mentioned a fellow named ‘Rick’. Andrew Macgregor did some research and he thinks it is a fellow that goes by the nick name of ‘Mick’ – a member of SOG!

        I expect that somewhere in those interviews there would be questions about ‘Rick’.

        Here’s another article on the tray the killer ate from. The police tried to hide any evidence of the existence of the tray (read my ‘Blue Bag and the Tray’ article in the comments section) . The Police would have run the prints, they know who ate from that tray and thus the name of the killer.

        Apparently, the forensic lab that did the analysis wasn’t corrupt and they couldn’t be made to get on board with the story, so the Police resorted to strapping up Bryant with bodgy photo ID witness statements about 4 weeks after the massacre.

        It appears that the photo ID board contained a photo similar to the ones in the media as one witness statement said she recognized Bryant from the jumper he was wearing. However, that jumper was part of the planted evidence in the blue bag and the killer never wore the jumper.

        DNA and The Hatred for Martin Bryant

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      5. Terry, wasn’t it the Daily Telegraph that had a full blown photo of Bryant on its front page soon after he was arrested? Obviously, there was one purpose for that exercise.

        I’ve had a look at that article about the number and type of firearms handed in on the ‘gun buyback’ or how to sell your only real means to ‘vote’ in a fascist state, scheme.

        I took some of those firearms over the counter (NSW) and I didn’t see any semi-auto high powered long arms or hand guns – mostly they were old single or double barrel shotty’s or .22 rim fire popguns.

        I have read Glen’s comment below and agree he is on the money with what his comment puts forward.

        From a personal point of view I believe the buyback scheme was a dud that the pushers knew but had to put a brave face on it due to all that money paid out – and I wonder to who, because the number of arms taken and destroyed would not account for the money outlaid. Remember too, that some of those arms handed in were not paid for due to their age, condition, and/or category.

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      6. Yeah Bryant’s picture was plastered all over the place. The Telegraph even had the text under the photo – ‘THIS IS THE MAN!’

        I mentioned the witness statements for the photo ID. Although they were taken as late as 6 weeks after the massacre, every one of the statements had a paragraph at the bottom that said (I have to paraphrase) “I have not seen any photograph of Martin Bryant since the massacre” What codswallop, every one of those photo IDs would be thrown out of court in seconds.

        There were two photo IDs that were valid. One was the bloke on the bus, a Vietnam veteran, who was shot in the neck. He looked in the face of the killer from less than 2 meters away just before getting shot. He was in intensive care until they came with the photo ID board. He hadn’t seen any television or newspapers – he said the fellow that shot him wasn’t in the pictures.

        Then there was Jim Laycock the former owner of the Broadarrow that had known Bryant since he was 10 years old. He remembered where he used to sit in the cafe’, how he liked his hot chocolate and Devonshire tea and the silly conversations Bryant had with his daughter. Laycock witnessed the tollgate and general store murders, Laycock said it wasn’t Bryant.

        I also agree with you and Glen’s assessment on the ‘buy back’. As a Barrister, I was constantly being taken into confidence about what people had stashed away. I kept telling them to “shut up”. The only people that wanted to know that information were the wrong people to find out.

        Unlike Victoria, NSW didn’t have registration, that is probably why you never saw any center-fire self-loading rifles come across the counter.

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      7. Aussie pub brawler Avatar
        Aussie pub brawler

        the PAM was either a total or partial hoax….
        http://facebook.com/theportarthurmassacrehoax ;

        people like Mikac were “crisis actors”

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      8. There were no ‘crisis actors’ at the PAM. I’ve viewed the Police Eyes Only video from inside the Cafe’, viewed pictures, interviewed people like Wendy Scurr. It was a bloodbath, literally, with all those bodies bleeding out, flesh and bone splattered on the walls and ceiling, a man’s brain lying in a bowl of chips, etc.

        Mikac lost his wife and two daughters at the PAM, to call him a crisis actor is irresponsible rubbish. The whole idea sounds like something the spooks would put out to try and discredit any discussion about the PAM.

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    2. To Aussie Pub Crawler. Of course I have no idea of who you are because you don’t provide any background, but I would ask this question of you: Were you there at the ‘event’ to witness the horror, the inhumanity that someone could actually do what was done and is similar in pattern to other massacres, like those of Anders Brievik, in Norway and Dunblane in Scotland?

      I have seen the video of the aftermath of the slaughter at Port Arthur and having hunted as a younger person using high powered rifles and the worked as a butcher prior to becoming a cop I have no hesitation in telling you that the mess I saw is consistent with gunshot trauma.

      You have not taken into account one very important factor in your own assessment, and that is this; there were two witnesses who still survive who had to attend to the many wounded for nearly six hours – do you consider that a hoax as well?

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      1. Andrew S MacGregor Senior Constable 15891 ret. Avatar
        Andrew S MacGregor Senior Constable 15891 ret.

        Nemesis, in regard to the Dunblane Massacre; buy yourself a copy of Sandra Uttley’s book ‘Dunblane unburied’. You will be surprised by what you read. The first policeman on the scene was Craig McCutcheon, an off duty policeman taking his child to the school, He was never called as a witness. All the victims were shot with a single browning automatic pistol, but Thomas Hamilton committed suicide by lying down on the floor of the gym and then shooting himself twice through the roof of his mouth with a Smith & Wesson revolver that was not at the scene when McCutcheon arrived. Please buy the book and read it.

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      2. Thanks Andrew – will do.

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  5. Here’s part 1 of a three part series on who was behind the disarmament agenda in Oz. At the end of part 1 you can link to part 2. Do read the comments to the articles, I answer various questions that were raised and add further information not in the article.

    Gun Control, Part 1: Yes It’s UN-led

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  6. Bruce in Sydney Avatar
    Bruce in Sydney

    The rabbit hole goes even deeper than the article suggests. Not only were there issues around the identification and prosecution of the Port Arthur shooter in 96 but while the police were collecting the guns from law abiding owners Australia witnessed the rise of a number of hard core criminal gangs. It was suggested that the police took their eye of the ball in pursuit of soft targets. Now in Sydney alone hardly a fortnight goes by between shootings and if you look at the armed home invasions the situation is even worse.

    There will never be uniform Gun Laws in Australia until we see a massacre somewhere in Tasmania”, said Barry Unsworth, NSW Premier, December, 1987 at a conference in Hobart.

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    1. Andrew S MacGregor Senior Constable 15891 ret. Avatar
      Andrew S MacGregor Senior Constable 15891 ret.

      Now what happened to the container load of Glock handguns that had been ordered by the NSW police and was sitting at the docks waiting to be collected by the NSW police. It apparently developed legs and walked

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  7. As a Canadian firearms owner I have watched the Australian firearms ban fairly closely, and not without a certain measure of sympathy for Aussie firearms owners. The International media tends to hold the Aussie ban up as the poster child of successful gun control legislation. While obvious that you have let your left get way out of control and perhaps its time for a political lesson on the order of Brexit (or even, dare I say, Trump?), the resulting skewed reporting remains a threat to the rest of us who are fighting for the last remnant of our heritage and privilege. What we need to hear from you is more of this. Tell us how its not working. Tell us every time an illegal firearm is used in a crime. Tell us long, tell us loudly and tell us repetitively. Tell us when the knife-as-weapon stats supersede the old firearm-as-weapon stats (‘cos they will). Tell us when the government compounds error with stupidity such as the recent furor over the reclassification of a lever-action shotgun. We need to know!

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    1. Chrossphyre, the information was available more than 25 years ago. I gave a link to the 1st part of my ‘Gun Runner’ article. Here is a link to the 2nd part that has the statistics you are looking for. Please read the comments as they contain more statistics.

      Gun Control, Part 2: Health Funds, “Statistics,” and Port Arthur

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      1. Here’s the third part of the series, it contains the results of the phony ‘gun buy back’.

        Gun Control, Part 3: The 1996 Gun Buy-Back in Australia

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    2. Andrew S MacGregor Senior Constable 15891 ret. Avatar
      Andrew S MacGregor Senior Constable 15891 ret.

      No they won’t! Knives have also been made illegal in Australia. I was at court when a man was charged with possession of a pocket knife he used where he worked but forgot to leave it at work and was later checked by police and charged for possessing a ‘prohibited weapon. We are like the Palestinians, only permitted to use sticks and stones to defend ourselves.

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      1. Nope, you don’t even get to carry a stick – it would be an offensive weapon. What I used to tell my clients if they were going out for a walk, carry a golf club and put a golf ball in your pocket. If you get stopped by the Police, never say you are carrying the club for self defense (you would be done like a dinner), you’re carrying it because you just like to occasionally chip the ball for fun and practice in different types of terrain.

        Heck, a lady might carry a couple of knitting needles and a ball of yarn under the same pretense.

        I used to carry a practical knife with me ever since I was in the Boy Scouts, not anymore…

        If you want to see how absurd it became, read ‘Bertram Wilson’s Case’ (I think it is still valid, about 1994 as I remember). You cannot have ANYTHING for self-defense.

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      2. Gentlemen, it sounds very much as if your government has emasculated the lot of you. The right to self defense is a human right and should never be allowed to be subjugated by politicians. I remind you that you live in a democracy, and that the task of ensuring your rights are not sacrificed to the ignorance of the urban liberal or government bureaucrat remains upon your shoulders. Organize, start fund raising for campaigns. Contribute heavily to agencies that are standing up for you. Bring every legal action to bear that you can think of. Hold rallies and protests. Be bold, loud, and repetitive on social media. Share information to counter the ignorance and fear of firearms. Write in to MPs and other politicians. Write in to newspapers and media centres when they falsely report or get it wrong. Take non-shooters out to the range/back 40 and introduce them to the shooting sports. Above all be wise, be controlled, but be firm and unrelenting. This is the way of change.

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      3. chrossphyre,

        At a time when only a two party system (1996) was in place, federally and state, it was easy for the bastards to sell us out. In, 2017, it is now not so easy due to the many minor political parties that have sprung up since then.

        I became a member of the Fishers and Shooters Party in my home state and that party has been very effective in nobbling the gun grabbing hands of state governments, but, like all minor parties, there are issues, and important social issues such as the importation of the Mohammedans that they are not prepared to address.

        So, I am now a member of One Nation, the only political party that is on the rise in this country, and the only political party that is taking the concerns of many Aussies seriously.

        Many Aussies in 1996 were not aware of the significance and the implication of what had been done to them, including myself at the time. As you are probably aware most folk when it comes to voting time up and vote for whomever they feel for at the time, and generally speaking, not much political thought is given for who they cast their vote. It is that ignorance, wilful or otherwise, that has permitted the political elite to lord it over all of us and to which many of us have now awoken to.

        While the Australian Constitution is almost a direct copy of the American Constitution, those who wrote it did not want to include the first and second amendments, which are basic inalienable human rights as compared to the U.N. Humanist rights, of free speech and the right to bear arms.

        So, this country’s citizens have been robbed of their own inalienable rights from the very beginning and all done deliberately by those who were determined that the Australian population would become easier to control than the United States citizenry.

        Throughout the West we are all facing the same problems and in 2016 the revolt against the New World Order was begun with Brexit and Trump. In 2017 the forces are gathering for fightback and fight back we will.

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  8. Anyone with half a chance in country Australia buried their guns safe and deep, then told their local police (whom they knew very well) that they were long gone and sold for a pittance. We are just waiting and are very patient, that’s all. In the meantime we’ll amuse ourselves by kicking the state politicians hard over the Adler (http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/adler-shotgun-can-now-be-imported-into-australia/news-story/53f0431433cd4ae7a2203281f31eda67) even when elections aren’t over the hill, because the feral pest problem is still there to aggravate us alongside the idiots in the capital.

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    1. Glen, I thought you might like this article where Rebecca Peters is receiving the ORDER OF AUSTRALIA for her work on gun control…

      George Soros’ employee wins Order of Australia for Gun Control

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    2. Glen, I believe you are on the right track with how many firearms are hidden out there. I just hope they chose to store enough ammo to go with them.

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  9. Andrew S MacGregor Senior Constable 15891 ret. Avatar
    Andrew S MacGregor Senior Constable 15891 ret.

    It gets even worse. In 2006 the ‘Gun Control’ lobbyists Roland Browne and Samantha Lee, tried to make a move on hand guns. Once I heard that I wrote a letter and had it put on the ‘Shooters News’ website informing people of the latest event and warning them that the target had to be a school similar to the Dunblane Massacre, and that mothers should speak to their parliamentarians to warn them that if such an event occurred then they would hold that parliamentarian responsible, Strangely the expected massacres occurred in Canada and America ending with the massacre of Amish schoolgirls, but not in Australia.
    However, that didn’t stop the gungrabbing. From 2006 legitimate firearm owners noted that only after their firearms were inspected by their local Firearms officer (police) that all too frequently their premises were burgled and ‘only’ their firearms, sometimes the safe as well were stolen.
    The police have stated repeatedly that these thefts were done by criminal gangs, and perhaps this was so, but with over 8,000 firearms thus stolen in Australia, most of which were either rifles or shotguns, which were virtually useless to criminal gangs who normally import their own weapons, 97% of these stolen firearms are yet to be recovered.
    So what has happened to these stolen firearms? They have been destroyed of course. But what is even better for the criminals is that about 46% of the owners were then charged for permitting these thieves to steal their firearms.
    Welcome to Australia!

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    1. Can you please tell us more about the shooters charged with having guns stolen? Thats a thing? WTF?

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      1. Andrew S MacGregor Senior Constable 15891 ret. Avatar
        Andrew S MacGregor Senior Constable 15891 ret.

        I wrote a couple of articles in regard to the theft of firearms , both in New South Wales and in Australia a couple of years ago. If you give me an email address I could post those articles to you. Once you pick your jaw off the floor you will appreciate the extent of these government gun-grabbers.

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    2. I did heaps of cases where there was a break and enter, cut open the safe with an angle grinder, take the whole safe after destroying the walls and floor, etc. – and in most cases the firearm owner was not only charged, but convicted of ‘not safekeeping’.

      Thank Gawd I’m no longer practicing law, I don’t think I could sit through another clueless magistrate or judge talking rubbish.

      Hi Andrew! For those who don’t know it, Andrew MacGregor is the primary investigator for the Port Arthur massacre.

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    3. Hello Andrew, my registered number was 31774, NSW Police. I have been out of the job since 2005, medically discharged. Are you still sworn in? And in what area were you tasked with in that investigation?

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      1. Andrew S MacGregor Senior Constable 15891 ret. Avatar
        Andrew S MacGregor Senior Constable 15891 ret.

        I was in the Victoria police from 1968 until I retired in 1985 due to ill-health. I had a couple of run-ins with something called ‘police corruption, and it did a lot of damage. Most of the men I worked with were good, and we were warned when we first entered the job that our biggest enemy was the bureaucrat. The Victoria Premier John Cain destroyed the constabulary in Victoria turning it into a ‘law enforcement bureaucracy. I was always in uniform and not permitted to try for the ‘Crime Cars’ or the CIB after I had my solicitor threaten the Assist Commissioner Personnel with a ‘Supreme Court Writ’ for interfering with my career outside of his authority. I didn’t get promoted either; I wonder why? Have some fun and do a Google on me,

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      2. Andrew S MacGregor Senior Constable 15891 ret. Avatar
        Andrew S MacGregor Senior Constable 15891 ret.

        Nemesis, my home number is 03 52486630. Please give me a call. I can recall doing a presentation at Gympie in 2001. The local Det/Sgt was in the front row and he clapped the loudest. We had some good police in Australia, especially in the rural areas.

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  10. I first met Terry Shulze over twenty years ago when he was travelling about informing community groups (unpaid) about unreported facts regarding PAM, the buyback and later on about the injustices perpetrated by our firearm regulations.

    I have never met anyone who has a deeper allegiance to liberty and justice. He has invested enormous amounts of time and effort researching, investigating in an attempt to inform the general public so that they might understand what really transpired.

    In other words, he is 100% trustworthy and his knowledge on this matter is second to none.

    In Australia, the only organisation that had the muscle to forcefully push back was The SSAA, didn’t happen. They had the resources to hire investigators. I know a hunting club that was forced into removing Terry’s articles from their website about 10 years ago due to an egotistical member complaining to the local media.

    PAM sceptics are regarded as being psychotic, bottom feeders in Australia, an attitude that is pampered and promulgated by the collectively obtuse lame stream media.

    See the chart in the attached link. Mass murder continues without the use of firearms. I believe there was a recent one but I haven’t updated it yet.

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    1. Sadly i think that needs to be updated

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  11. It’s no wonder many people don’t believe the government about the PAM.
    Wanna see something that’s beyond freaky?
    Supposed perpetrator Martin Bryant is shown at the beginning of this video
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAnioIz4y40 yet he’s also walking beside prominent relative of victims Walter Mikac at the funerals of his wife and daughters.
    See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uLT8G6qGtc.
    WTH?

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  13. The answer to the question at the top of this article, is a resounding YES.

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  14. A great read and well researched and written. Being one of the victims of both of the buy backs, I may have received a lot of money in return for them but I would still prefer to have these firearms in my possession (like my Grandfathers firearms A5 Browning, etc). Removing these types of firearms from Australia LAFO’s has had absolutley no effect on Criminals and Criminal acts in this country. So given this info, are “our” politicians that dumb as to believe this would stop future massacres, or were they being told to do this by others? As we all know, mentally ill people just use other weapons (a Cairns women killed 7 children with a knife, and in May 2018 a West Australian man, shot his family and himself -6 dead in total. Then there are Car based massacres, etc). What a waste of money this was. FJWH! JB

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