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Another Day – Another Lie from the Police Union

We have The Police Association has appeared on TVNZ’s Breakfast Show this morning.

Imagine shooter’s surprise to learn that you don’t need a gun license to buy ammunition in New Zealand.

Oh and that security is not checked by Police when issuing Firearm Licenses.

The Police Association President Chris Cahill wouldn’t know the truth if it bit him.

The Kiwi Gun Blog has just called the producers of the show. Both to inform them of the man’s deceit and to request use of the footage.

Its time that we collected this man’s lies into a montage. Radio, print, television, legal submissions. All of it. Then we can show it to the media and the politicians and his members.

So everyone can understand that the Police Union now has zero credibility.

In the meanwhile… The Kiwi Gun Blog has suggested to some friends in the Police that they investigate how to remove this clown from within the Association. If anyone deserves a vote of no confidence – it is this liar.

If only for the damage that he has done, not only to the reputation of the organisation but to the relationship between the Police officers on the street and the shooters who used to love them.

If you wish to contact the Breakfast show to register your anger at their broadcast of this man’s lies:

You can email them on: breakfast@tvnz.co.nz

Here is their Facebook page to post comments.

You can also text them on 8850 .

All you have to do is text ‘BF’ then your message. eg – ‘BF The Police Union Lie’.

Then send your text to 8850. Messages cost 50 cents, incl GST.

The Kiwi Gun Blog have made an official complaint due to the item’s lack of balance.

We will follow this up with a complaint to the Broadcasting Standards Authority.

We have also asked for an on air correction – you should as well.

We will keep holding this rat to account.

chris.cahill@policeassn.org.nz

The Kiwi Gun Blog

April 10, 2017

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18 responses to “Another Day – Another Lie from the Police Union”

xizero

April 10, 2017 at 11:44 pm

even building on that his words ..” Judge get out of it on a willy nilly basis … ” er hello ? who is making and upholding the law, the police or the judges? some would say thats just a major perceptional issue all on its own

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Danger Mouse

April 11, 2017 at 12:20 am

Can we lodge a complaint with ipca

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1. The Kiwi Gun Blog
  
  April 11, 2017 at 12:53 am
  
  First email with the words “I wish to make a formal complaint” on the grounds of inaccuracy and lack of balance. THEN you complain to the Broadcasting Standards Authority AFTER you get a response from the broadcaster – TVNZ. Its easy – dont be intimidated. The more who do this the better.
  
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Craig

April 11, 2017 at 12:56 am

Can you put a copy of the tv program on FB as I can not watch it outside of NZ

Cheers Craig Clark +6421756260 craig-c@vodafone.co.nz

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1. The Kiwi Gun Blog
  
  April 11, 2017 at 1:47 am
  
  we are getting it now
  
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Doug

April 11, 2017 at 1:08 am

It is unlawful to supply ammunition to an unlicenced person unless under the direct supervision of a Licence holder – i.e. actually using the ammunition under suprvision or examining a collection item under supervision.

It is unlawful to possess ammunition unless it is for for a lawful and sufficient reason – even for Licence holders.

There have been several successful prosecutions for unlawful possession by unlicenced occupiers of dwellings – the law states that they are the possessor even if they do not know it is there unless they can prove it is not theirs and show to whom it does belong.

So Cahill is technically correct that persons do not need a licence to either buy or possess ammunition but it is tightly controlled and they may not actually possess it or have it supplied to them without a licence. They may own it (i.e. have title to it) BUT may not lawfully possess ammunition unless under immediate supervision of a Licence holder.

Making it unlawful to possess ammunition entirely would prevent use under supervision – perhaps the outcome he is angling for?

He is being VERY misleading – but perhaps not quite an outright lie

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1. The Kiwi Gun Blog
  
  April 11, 2017 at 1:46 am
  
  Nonsense. Please dont muddy the crystal clear waters here. You can not legally buy ammunition without a license. The end.
  
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  1. Doug
    
    April 11, 2017 at 3:56 am
    
    Don’t fall into the ‘Cahill Trap’
    
    There is no prohibition of the unlicenced either purchasing or possessing ammunition – indeed they may possess it with lawful and sufficient purpose. They may have title to it as long as they do not ‘possess’ it without supervision.
    
    There is a prohibition of the supplying of ammunition to the unlicenced – except if there is lawful and sufficient purpose.
    
    As anything not prohibited is allowed – find the prohibition in the law.
    
    Once all unlicenced are prohibited from possessing ammunition each licence holder will have to remove ALL ammunition from their dwelling when ever they leave it in occupation by unlicenced persons.
    
    The law has been carefully written to allow use under supervision and provide lawful and sufficient reasons for the unlicenced to occupy a place where ammunition is stored by a Licence holder.
    
    The statement that one cannot buy ammunition without a licence is clearly not true. Cahill is technically correct – just neglects to mention that the unlicenced cannot possess ammunition without lawful and sufficient purpose
    
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2. duckdog
  
  April 13, 2017 at 4:13 am
  
  Arms Act 1983
  43B Restriction on sales of ammunition
  (1) Every person commits an offence and is liable on conviction to a fine not exceeding $1,000 who sells or supplies ammunition for any firearm or restricted weapon to a person who is not—
  (a) the holder of a firearms licence; or
  (b) a licensed dealer.
  
  Police Mail Order form S 43A
  Firearms Licence: You require a firearms licence to possess firearms,
  or ammunition for them, and some special categories of airgun.
  
  Sales: Sellers / suppliers of firearms, ammunition and airguns are
  required by the Arms Act 1983 to ascertain that the purchaser / recipient
  is the holder of a firearms licence or is of or over the age of 18 years in
  the case of airguns.
  
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  1. Doug
    
    April 13, 2017 at 11:51 am
    
    The prohibition is on the supply not on the possession. There is no specific prohibition upon possession as long as it is for lawful and sufficient purpose.
    
    No where is possession ( for lawful and sufficient purpose) prohibited – It is the supplier who commits the offence. Not the possessor – whether licenced or not.
    
    43B Restriction on the slae of ammunition is the law.
    
    The guff on the Mail Order form is Police opinion. Sellers are even there tasked with selling to licenced persons BUT unlicenced persons commit no offence if in possession of ammunition as long as they have a lawful and sufficient purpose – like using it under supervision – otherwise if possession was prohibited that could not do even that.
    
    It is all in the semantics – There is no actual prohibition in law of possession – only a requirement to have lawful and sufficient purpose.
    
    Read the LAW carefully and realise that Police opinion means diddly squat to a Judge – who will decide for themselves what the Statute means!
    
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Ryan

April 11, 2017 at 1:22 am

Hi KGB – FYI your article is dated 10th April not the 11th. 🙂

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1. The Kiwi Gun Blog
  
  April 11, 2017 at 6:48 am
  
  Its on American time…
  
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Pravda Reign

April 11, 2017 at 2:06 am

I decided to send video and relevant legislation to Police Minister, this guy needs to be roped in…i’ve never seen such rabid hate for firearms owners, uneducated Antis are one thing, but this guy should know the legislation.

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1. Alan Freeman
  
  April 11, 2017 at 2:51 am
  
  He does know the legislation, he just lies.
  
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Ryan

April 11, 2017 at 4:19 am

What would have been a fairer approach is to have this Cahill character and a representative of the LFAO community speaking on our behalf in a TV interview.

I think that would quickly refute Cahill’s claims that law-abiding firearm owners are not going to be unduly affected by these proposed changes.

Thanks for reminding us to read about the proposed changes – don’t worry, we have, they are a contradictory and enforceable waste of tax paying money that addresses a quite non-existential problem.

Keep digging Cahill – eventually you’ll dig too deep and won’t be able to get out.

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1. The Kiwi Gun Blog
  
  April 11, 2017 at 6:50 am
  
  Oh you mean ‘Journalism’? No. We dont have that.
  
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  1. Alan Freeman
    
    April 11, 2017 at 8:45 pm
    
    Im related to ‘journalists’ they admit that the news outlets dont care about the people, they care about viewing numbers and that means getting the story to air before the other guy, and close enough is good enough.
    
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Alan Freeman

April 12, 2017 at 3:50 am

From: Independent Police Conduct Authority
Date: 12/04/17 13:38 (GMT+12:00)
To: xxxxxxx
Subject: Your online complaint to the IPCA

Dear Mr xxxxxxxx
Receipt is acknowledged of your online complaint form received at the IPCA on 11 April 2017. The Authority is independent from the New Zealand Police and takes complaints against current police officers. You should therefore direct your complaint to the NZ Police Assn. Their website address is: http://www.policeassn.org.nz
or phone : 0800 500 122

Case Resolution Team
Independent Police Conduct Authority

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