The Kiwi Gun Blog has reported previously on the formation of a ‘Multi-Agency Firearms Working Group’.

We have FINALLY had a reply from Police as to its function.

Superintendent ‘Lurch’ Scahill sent the following reply:

I am writing in response to your e-mails dated 22 April 2017 to the Minister of Police, and the Honourable Judith Collins , concerning the initiation and workings of the National Multi­ Agency Firearms Working Group.

You specifically asked the following questions of the Police Minister:

1. What is the specific purpose necessitating this group being formed?
2. What ‘policies and practices’ have so far been developed or suggested .
3. Please release the February briefing.
4. Who is involved in this group. Including advisors and those who may have consulted.
5. Has anyone from the NZ firearms community been invited to participate?
6. What part of the group’s work was expected to generate such ‘significant commentary within the firearms community”?
7. Did this group have any contact with the Law and Order committee investigating the
criminal misuse of guns?
8. Is this group still working?
9. Is the group working to align New Zealand with other international gun laws?

In addition to the above questions you also asked a further two questions of the Honourable Judith Collins which were:
(Set out below as asked by you, and using your numbering)

2. What were its workings during your time as Police Minister?
(Notice that I said “During your time as Police Minister” so please do not forward this inquiry to the current Police Minister for response)
10. Is there any other group or person involved?

As you are aware both of your requests were referred to the Commissioner of Police, who has asked me to respond to your concerns on his behalf.

My responses to the questions posed to the Minister of Police are outlined below.

1. What is the specific purpose necessitating this group being formed?

The purpose of this working group is stated as follows – “The National Multi-Agency Firearms Working Group (NMFWG) will inform the strategic direction of the administration and management of firearms and other weapons promoting a collaborative , connected New Zealand Inc. approach to the functions and objectives of both the Government and individual Agencies” .

The working group was formed alongside Police’s Arms Safety and Control (ASAC) Project to support the Police project team to develop a suitably comprehensive business case.

2. What ‘policies and practices’ have so far been developed or suggested.

To date no policies or practices have been developed or suggested in a finalised form.

3. Please release the February briefing.

I attach the Quarterly Update of February 2016 for the Firearms Community Advisory Forum which provided information on the NMFWG.

4. Who is involved in this group. Including advisors and those who may have consulted.

Representatives from Customs, MFAT and DIA along with personnel from Police Human Resources, ICT, Response and Operations, Continuous Improvement, Policy, ASAC Project Team , Legal and a District based representative . Specific people have changed over time depending on availability however the groups and agencies have maintained representation.

I have attached to this letter a copy of the Terms of Reference for National Multi-Agency Firearms Working Group. Names of some of the group members have been withheld pursuant to s9(2)(a) of the Official Information Act 1982, which provides good reason to without official information where it is necessary to protect the privacy of natural persons, including that of deceased natural persons .

5. Has anyone from the NZ firearms community been invited to participate?

The Firearms Community Advisory Forum, whilst not part of the NMFWG, was invited to ; and attended a full one day workshop in February 2017 to discuss and inform the progress of the ASAC Project. This group has also been briefed at multiple FCAF meetings on the status and progress of the Project with minutes recorded and posted on the Police website at the following address (www.police.govt.nz/about-us /publication/firearms-community­ advisory-forum ).

6. What part of the group’s work was expected to generate such ‘significant
commentary within the firearms community”?

The Arms Safety and Control Project of which the National Multi-Agency Firearms Working Group was established to support, was tasked to look at the whole administration of the Arms Act and its Regulations including structure, legislation and cost, which was thought likely to generate questions and discussion points within the firearms community, and has in fact done so.

  1. Did this group have any contact with the Law and Order committee investigating the criminal misuse of guns?

No.

  1. Is this group still working?

The last NMFWG meeting was held on Thursday 8 September 2016 and there is no plan to reconvene that group in the immediate future while various aspects of the Police ASAC Project are reconsidered .

  1. Is the group working to align New Zealand with other international gun laws?

Neither this group not the Arms Safety and Control Project has any specific goal of aligning New Zealand firearm legislation with that of any other overseas jurisdiction.

My responses to the extra two questions posed to the Honourable Judith Collins are outlined below:

  1. What were its workings during your time as Police Minister ?

The Honourable Judith Collins was Minister of Police over two terms:

19 November 2008 to 13 December 2011

14 December 2015 to 20 December 2016

During her first term (19 November 2008 to 13 December 2011) the National Multi­

Agency Firearms Working Group had not yet been formed .

This NMFWG held its inaugural meeting on the 12 November 2015.

Listed below are the meetings that the National Multi-Agency Firearms Working

Group held during her second term of 14 December 2015 to 20 December 2016:

  • Tuesday 15 December 2015 – National Multi-Agency Working Group meeting
  • Wednesday 16 March 2016 – National Multi-Agency Working Group meeting
  • Friday 17 June 2016 – ILM Workshop
  • Thursday 8 September 2016 – National Multi-Agency Working Group update meeting

10. Is there any other group or person involved?

The list of all persons involved in this group has been provided within the Terms of Reference Document attached in this letter.

If you are not satisfied with my response to your request you have a right under section 28(3) of the Official Information Act 1982 to ask the Office of the Ombudsmen and seek an investigation and review of my decision

Yours faithfully

Superintendent Chris Scahill
National Manager: Response and Operations

lurch

These questions were also missed:

7. Did this group have any contact with the Law and Order committee investigating the
criminal misuse of guns?
8. Is this group still working?

 

Summary

Right… So…

Customs, MFAT and DIA, along with personnel from Police Human Resources, ICT, Response and Operations, Continuous Improvement, Policy, ASAC Project Team , Legal and a District based representative have met several times over some period of time and yet: 

To date no policies or practices have been developed or suggested in a finalised form”.

Oh but the Firearms Community Advisory Forum has been briefed on the progress.

That has not happened.

So this is either another Police lie OR a staggering waste of combined resources to achieve nothing.

Let us not forget that the Police Minister was warned that the group’s work was expected to generate “significant commentary within the firearms community”.

So which part of their proposed policy – they they supposedly have not proposed – was that? 

The Kiwi Gun Blog suspect that Lurch may be taking quite some liberty with that word “Finalised”.

The Briefing?

The Police Minister was to be briefed in February 2017, on the progress of this work.

That supposedly doesn’t exist.

We asked for that briefing – as acknowledged above – and this was ignored.

Why?

Are we really supposed to believe that a multi agency group – tasked with making recommendations – has made none?

Quarterly Update – February 2016 – Firearms Community Advisory Forum

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Click on the document below to download:

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“International obligations…….” 

Mention is made of a “Police Review of Firearms Management and Administration”. The Kiwi Gun Blog has asked Police to supply a copy of this.

 

Either national or international – the workings of these firearm policy groups must be monitored closely.

Their influence and lack of public accountability can make some truly tyrannical laws a possibility. f3

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