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Yet MORE Evidence that MSSA Rifles Are Not a Crime Issue

The Kiwi Gun Blog has recently documented the true number of MSSA rifles seized by Police.

Only three Military Style Semi Automatics were seized from licensed users in the last year.

Out of 375 arms.

Three.

0.8% of the problem.

Some were likely later returned.

We would now like to thank Elton Smallman of the Waikato Times for providing more information from their story claiming:

“Between 2010 and 2015, police seized 6006 firearms – 88 of which were MSSAs”.

This is the TOTAL number of arms seized. From all sources.

The information we asked about came as a result of an Official Information Act request to police that the paper made last year

Police provided them with both the numbers of seized firearms and the category of firearms for five years. 2010 to 2015.

The Kiwi Gun Blog had checked this number with very senior Police who had never heard that figure. Yet… Here are the tables that they provided the paper:

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So if you crunch those numbers….

1.4%

MSSA rifles present in just 1.4% of the guns seized.

This next data from the Police details the number of seized firearms for the past two years:

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Similar numbers. Last year was 1.5%

This is confusing as when the Blog has previously asked Police for this data we were told that it was not held.

So the Police don’t recognize the data – that they are giving to the media.

They don’t keep track of the type of guns used in crime – yet have this data to hand?

OK

Anyway…

The next time that the Police Union claim these weapons are a scourge – email that table to the reporter repeating their lies.

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6 responses to “Yet MORE Evidence that MSSA Rifles Are Not a Crime Issue”

  1. paul clarke Avatar
    paul clarke

    crims want guns that can be chopped down for concealment, cant do that with most mssa’s

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  2. Ken Rountree Avatar
    Ken Rountree

    Paula Bennetts latest “policy” cough “position” is to restrict access to the most dangerous firearms. This would be those that can be cut down – the ruger 1022 or double barrelled shotgun the obvious choice.
    Yet it’s the importers of AR15s that are targeted – simply because they are low hanging fruit that appeals to the media .
    Never let the facts get in the way of a good story ffs.

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  3. Geoffm Avatar
    Geoffm

    3 of them were Lincoln’s ones seized in the toilet case. Except one was in fact an A cat shotgun but no one will know since they blew it up…
    How many were MSSAs purely because of a pistol grip, and not something important to the ” danger to society”?

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  4. Spiker Avatar
    Spiker

    How many were “seized” by police after the death of the the owner and no suitably licensed person to retain them? Not every seizure is because of unlawful activity.

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  5. Doug Avatar
    Doug

    It is not the ‘facts’ which prevail but the FEAR of MSSAs – since Police use them to intimidate and kill and cannot see any other use so panic to remove these firearms from others in a vain attempt at ‘risk’ management.

    Their Bushmasters seem to be seen as a magic means of force projection that no others should have so as to preserve the monopoly on violence solely unto Police.

    Apparently Police and Politicians simply cannot not be comfortable with We the People being equipped to “vote from the roof tops” in the event that their tyrannical proclivities come to fruition … Their interaction with the ‘peasantry’ has ever been so.

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  6. Pete Avatar
    Pete

    Doug,

    Interesting analysis.

    Objectively of course any rifle is extremely dangerous from a rooftop in the wrong but trained hands – not just AR-15 or AK type black guns.

    But power is about what is PERCEIVED as power, so powerful looking Hollywood-glorified AR-15 type rifles, like the police use, get targeted.

    I’d personally never buy an AR-15 or Bushmaster, with or without a pistol grip. Sure it is accurate, but it’s a small calibre designed for military use where wounding is preferred to clean kills. For sporting use (hunting) use you need a decent full-power rifle with heavy bullets that don’t drift sideways in the wind, will do the job through thick branches and work with one shot.

    Target shooting is of course a different matter and AR-15s are just the things for that.

    Pete

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