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Auckland Firearms Protest

We’re getting close to the big day and I’m excited to have you all on board.

We’d really like to be able to communicate with as many people on the day as possible and we’ll mostly be using this group, so please invite anyone you know is attending to join.

I can’t wait to see you all on Thursday as we reclaim our voice and our democratic representation! We have a long road ahead but this is a solid first step.

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15 responses to “Auckland Firearms Protest”

  1. bogbeagle Avatar
    bogbeagle

    I’m writing from England. I’ve never been a shooter, nor owned a firearm … but, I am very pro-human liberty. And, I’m gonna say some things which will thoroughly piss you off.

    1 … Democracy ain’t gonna resolve your situation. I don’t think that anyone has ever ‘Voted their guns back’. The plain fact is that ‘Democracy’ is responsible for taking your firearms.
    2 … It follows that your protest is a waste of your time, effort and money. You are mere Petitioners, begging for Clemency.
    3 … People who do NOT have your interests at heart, will encourage you to follow these un-productive paths. I’ve seen how these actions paralyze people; make them feel helpless.
    4… English shooters are, as I described, ‘Paralyzed’. They can see no salvation outside of appeals to ‘the system’. In reality, there is no salvation from WITHIN the system. But, they’ve been trained to believe in Democracy; they can’t get past that, so they’re a Lost Cause.

    I’m appending a link to an essay which describes a very novel strategy for Resistance. There’s no expenditure of money involved, nor any need to confront the Police on the streets. But, you will need some organizational skills and personal courage.

    I can’t guarantee that my proposal will work. I can guarantee that yours will not … based on the evidence of numerous such protests that have been held by others.

    What I’m gonna suggest to you, is radical … and you may be tempted to dismiss it as ‘crazy’. I don’t think it’s ‘crazy’. I think that my logic is unassailable, and I’d invite you to be as critical as you can possibly be.

    Now, this essay is specifically-directed towards the achievement of a BREXIT, rather than the restitution of firearms … but, you’ll get the idea. Maybe you can use it, or adapt it to suit. Who knows?

    Let me precis my essay.

    We are governed by Consent. For that to be meaningful, we must be able to withdraw that Consent. If we cannot, then we are governed by compulsion. As are all Slaves.

    If shooters, en-masse, withdraw their Consent to governance, then the State must either … recognize their right to do so … or, admit that they are not free men, and will be governed whether they like it, or not. It’s a ticklish problem for the State to handle, since they effectively must pronounce you all to be “Government Property”.
    I think that such an action will profoundly disturb the political establishment. They know that their legitimacy is very tenuous, at the best of times.

    Anyway, read it. Dismiss it. Use it. Amend it. Whatever.
    I can provide a somewhat more detailed philosophical rationale, if you are interested.

    Sincerely, tho, Good luck.
    PD Turner

    https://themostdangerousmen.wordpress.com/2016/06/30/the-english-can-brexit-if-they-can-find-some-balls/

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    1. Terry Shulze Avatar
      Terry Shulze

      I saw the same thing happen here in Oz during the great non-debate on guns. Someone would put on a ‘demonstration’ and the media would distort what really was said and done. If they didn’t have any good footage, they would arrange for a provocateur to give them the needed footage.

      The reporting on the numbers was also severely distorted. The Coalition for Gun Control had a demonstration in front of the NSW Parliament and the Police recorded 1,200-1,500 people. That was a fairly good turnout for most demonstrations in front of Parliament. The media stated that they had UP TO 8,000 in attendance.

      Then the shooters had their demonstration and the Police recorded 32,000 to 35,000 in attendance – it was the largest demonstration I ever saw on Macquarie Street. – The media reported AROUND 8,000 in attendance.

      Rallies, demonstrations, public speaking, etc. will not change a thing. All they do is give the media a chance to take another shot at you. Your ‘leaders’ in the alleged resistance are simply playing by the systems playbook.

      As a retired barrister I have indicated what you have to do. So far, no one has moved in that direction.

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      1. bogbeagle Avatar
        bogbeagle

        I know that I would be very interested to hear your proposed solutions to this ‘insult’.
        Are you prepared to make them public, here?

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      2. Terry Shulze Avatar
        Terry Shulze

        I did in a reply to an earlier article where there was some barrister that was talking about a challenge (not a chance in Hell the way he was going to do it, but, hey, it would have provided a nice fee).

        I can’t locate that earlier post. Perhaps the site’s management can find it.

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    2. Robert McCabe Avatar
      Robert McCabe

      As a Barrister said “only the belligerent have rights”.
      Many chop at the branches of the tree but few chop at the root.

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      1. Terry Shulze Avatar
        Terry Shulze

        Good quote Robert, yeah sometimes you just have to buckle up and go for it. I have a bit of early life experience to assist me to overcome the fear of going ‘outside the box’.

        http://northwestvets.com/spurs/shulze.htm

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  2. john moses Avatar
    john moses

    wish you all well and please attend and show your solidarity against the fascist bastards taking away our rights.

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  3. Terry Shulze Avatar
    Terry Shulze

    2.WaituntiltheRoyalCommissionfindsoutwhathappenedintheChristchurchshootingandwhy

    LOL – The terms of reference of the Royal Commission COMPLETELY AVOID asking those questions!

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  4. Terry Shulze Avatar
    Terry Shulze

    This massacre was DEFINITELY NOT a lone gunman shooting. Here’s some information that is available from the banned video.

    Three times Tarrant takes off running to shoot people that were not within his line of sight.

    The first time he runs out the front of the Mosque, turns and points his rifle at a parked car, apparently recognizes the people, does not shoot but continues to run out to the sidewalk and then shoot at a fleeing person that is down the street.

    That parked car is important. License number FQH875, as it leaves during the massacre and then is seen being flagged through a Police roadblock later.

    The second time he gets instructions was when he was out at his car getting petrol out of the boot. He drops what he is doing and runs up the alley, turns around the wall and goes to shoot people in the far corner of the compound.

    The third time he gets instructions is when he is back in the Mosque, then runs up the hall and out onto the sidewalk to shoot at two women. One of the women escapes.

    What is important in this sequence is that the video shows that there is a man dressed all in red standing in the compound watching the massacre. The two women likely ran past that man in red while trying to escape. The surviving woman could confirm that at a Royal Commission.

    So why isn’t the Royal Commission asking questions about really happened during the massacre?

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    1. Terry Shulze Avatar
      Terry Shulze

      So, is anybody in NZ going to ask why the Royal Commission isn’t addressing these issues?

      Anybody going to send a letter to the editor and ask why? Is anybody going to circulate a petition, perhaps at the protest? Anybody going to pass out a flyer with the information?

      Do you have any lawyers with courage to take the issue to court and request a stay of the legislation until the matter is looked into?

      It looks like you Kiwis are going to repeat the mistakes of the Ozzies after Port Arthur. You will have protests and rallies (ooh, scary) and you will VOTE at the next election (ooh, double scary).

      If so, don’t expect any result different than what happened in Oz.

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      1. bogbeagle Avatar
        bogbeagle

        Gun-control is essentially a psychological process. It’s not really about door-kicking. If you look at England, or any disarmed people … nobody resists. Nobody.

        You guys may trudge about in the rain, muttering. And then, you’ll obediently line up to hand over your guns.

        Yeah, a few will Petition and plead, or beg for clemency. But, nobody resists.

        Once you’ve been conditioned to ‘believe in Democracy’, then it becomes impossible for you to contest any decision that is made ‘Democratically’. Every one of us has been so conditioned, from birth, to have absolute faith in the ‘rightness of the Collective’ … and of its authority to determine what property we may be permitted to own.

        If you can’t get past that conditioning, you are lost.

        You have two choices. Either you reject the presumed Authority of the State, or you submit to that Authority.

        Everything in-between those two extremes, is wasted effort.

        If you cannot change the way that you think … the way that you relate to these ordinary people who are dominating your lives … then it’s all over.

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  5. Paul Avatar
    Paul

    I saw an article on the Privacy Commissioner John Edwards comments regarding the proposed Terrorism Suppression Bill. He described it as an “obnoxious piece of legislation”, “fundamentally flawed”, “affront to the principles of due process” and an “extraordinary and unprecedented intrusion on individuals rights, privacy and liberty” (Exactly how we as firearm owners are being treated).

    This Bill also known as the ‘Mark Taylor Law’ named after the Kiwi Jihadist, is proposed to address any issues around returning terrorists to this country. It was Taylor and others who willingly left this country to join the ISIS Terrorist organisation known for its barbarity.

    The Privacy Commissioner is prepared to support the ‘rights’ of individuals who should be lined up against a wall.

    So the Government and their Police lackeys have proposed new intrusive laws against us, the law abiding firearm owners. Some of which propose Police have access to shooters medical issues. To come knocking on our doors etc. We become the victims and unless I’m wrong; I don’t recall the Privacy Commissioner volunteering any support for our rights, privacy and liberty. But returning members of a terrorist organisation do? Where’s this country heading?

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  6. Terry Shulze Avatar
    Terry Shulze

    Here are the ‘Terms of Reference’ to the Royal Commission. Read them and weep –

    https://christchurchattack.royalcommission.nz/about-the-inquiry/terms-of-reference/

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  7. Terry Shulze Avatar
    Terry Shulze

    I just had an email exchange with a person in NZ. He said that Kiwis are incapable of imagining that the CC massacre could be a government sponsored psy-op. I sent him this link to a short 10 minute video on Port Arthur and it was the first time he had seen the video.

    “Justice” in the Lucky Country

    Read the comments to the video and you can read one of the scenes from the draft screen play.

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    1. Terry Shulze Avatar
      Terry Shulze

      It looks like Tarrant was given a ‘fast track’ for a firearms license.

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