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Arms (Prohibited Firearms, Magazines, and Parts) Amendment Bill

Arms (Prohibited Firearms, Magazines, and Parts) Amendment Bill

Click above to see the proposed bill

Semi automatic rifles are gone.

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Shotguns with removable magazines – gone.

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Shotguns with tubes over 5 cartridges.

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Magazines that hold more than five shot shells, more than ten .22 rounds or more than ten center fire rounds.

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Magazines over ten rounds for any full auto gun!

So possibly MILLIONS of dollars in collections are now gone and so is the film industry?

There appears to be a later exemption for the rifles themselves but this needs to be made crystal clear. They are no good without the magazines.

They are now open for submissions.For only two days

This is democracy now!

 According to the new laws – suppressors make guns semi automatic. Who knew?

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35 responses to “Arms (Prohibited Firearms, Magazines, and Parts) Amendment Bill”

  1. Xpat Avatar
    Xpat

    Firstly, what a poorly written and deceptive item of legislation. The devil is in the detail, and the socialist zealots who drafted this legislation have deliberately crafteted wording, which appears to have circumvented various constitutional mechanisms.

    The one item clearly stands out, that this is not a “surrender” of firearms for compensation as stated by the Prime Minister, but rather “legislated seizure of personal property” through an Act of parliament.

    Note, not one mention of financial compensation commitment in the draft legislation. Like I said previously, seizure by stealth.

    This is dangerous legislation, plus an affront to the principles of democracy and the function of parliament under our Constitutional mechanisms.

    It will be interesting to see if ANY of our elected officials from NZ First, the Nationals, or even fair minded Labour representatives will provide challenge.

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    1. Kathryn Truscott Avatar
      Kathryn Truscott

      They will not challenge it, because their aims are the same as Commissar Ardern….

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  2. J Doe Avatar
    J Doe

    Is it purposely written to confuse? Or am I just a little stupid. The part where it states bona fide collector. What constitutes a bona-fide collector? I collect rifles so am I allowed to keep mine? This is really starting to fu*k me off. I’m sorry but I don’t fully understand what they’re demanding.

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    1. Doug Avatar
      Doug

      They are demanding our complete subjugation perhaps?

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      1. Tony D Avatar
        Tony D

        Law abiding firearms enthusiasts , recreational shooters , hunters etc should form our own political party. ‘Outdoors Recreational Party’ or similar. Successfully accomplished in Australia I believe. This is the only way we are going to get fair representation away from socialist tyranny. We need to have a voice of our own rather than be steered by airheads losers and hasbeens.

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    2. The Kiwi Gun Blog Avatar
      The Kiwi Gun Blog

      C endorsement holders

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      1. J Doe Avatar
        J Doe

        So if I get my C, put my rifles on that, I can keep them? If they let me that is

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  3. Mike Avatar
    Mike

    As usual the government is hell bent on making honest citizens criminals and the criminals get away scott free again.
    Would be great if our prime minister was making our country safer and target the true criminals
    Its about time people are made responsible for their actions instead of our taxes defending them in court making excuses for their crime

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  4. Kiwi Shooter Avatar
    Kiwi Shooter

    Gobsmacked, this reeks of a police HQ wishlist, never have I seen such legislation focused on criminalising a sector of society and giving sweeping powers to harrass us with no cause. This has destroyed all trust and good faith with LFAO and the police. Only bad will come if this. ARE WE GOING TO ROLL OVER? HELL NO

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  5. NN Avatar
    NN

    I just read a story in Al Jazeera where this text appeared: ‘In stark contrast to the United States, where even the most minor curbs on gun ownership meet ferocious opposition led by the National Rifle Association, New Zealand gun owners agree action is needed.
    “We want to support our government in any changes to prevent a terrorist attack from happening in New Zealand again,” said Nicole McKee, secretary of the Council of Licensed Firearm Owners.”’ ( https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/04/zealand-gun-lobby-backs-ban-christchurch-mosques-attack-190401040859005.html ).
    See also: https://www.france24.com/en/20190401-new-zealand-shooters-back-gun-control-after-massacre

    Really? How is supporting the ban of guns, such as semi-autos, going to do that? Adopting flawed, misdirected gun laws similar to the ones implemented in Australia is frankly an overreaction and is not going to be as effective they’re trying to make you believe.

    Lets’ face it, determined criminals and terrorists are simply not going to obey the laws. Look at some of the most diabolical terrorist attacks in Europe; The attacks in Nice, Berlin, Stockholm, Barcelona, London etc. were done with vehicles ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle-ramming_attack ) and others (such as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Museum_of_Belgium_shooting , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/November_2015_Paris_attacks ) were done with highly illegal, already banned guns ( https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/18/arms-race-criminal-gangs-helping-terrorists-get-weapons-report-warns ). I’m pretty sure they have laws against killing people in Europe and I’m convinced they tell drivers not to run over pedestrians as well.

    The Australian gun laws have been scrutinized recently because of a story that Al Jazeera had. That fake pro-gun activist/Al Jazeera’s undercover anti-gun reporter Rodger Muller and Gun Rights Australia, GRA, were not the representatives ordinary, responsible gun owners in Australia deserved, but nonetheless did Mr. Muller’s earlier statements, the existence of GRA ( https://web.archive.org/web/20180308081000/http://www.gunrightsaustralia.com/news/2017/4/27/gra-calls-for-a-royal-commission-into-the-national-firearms-agreement ), and the obvious, continued presence of illegal guns on the black market convince people to question the current gun-laws in Australia. After all, mass shootings (2014, 2018) and massacres have occurred in Australia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_shooting , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_Australia ) even after their ambitious, but obviously costly and flawed, gun control effort ( https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3086324 ). Did they mention that on Al Jazeera?
    Oh BTW, the terrorist, Man Haron Monis, that was responsible for the 2014 Sydney hostage crisis in Australia ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Sydney_hostage_crisis ) didn’t bother to have a license for the illegal gun he used, did he?

    I’m pretty sure the anti-gun lobbyists have prepared more suggestions for restrictions/confiscations and are waiting for the next random attack. But maybe they have focused on banning and restricting “dangerous assault cars” or scary looking “zombie knives” instead?

    What some politicians, journalists and anti-gun activist seem to forget, or ignore, is that there are several important confounders/variables that that should also be mentioned and considered. If you haven’t done it already, please read: https://theconversation.com/regulating-people-not-just-guns-might-explain-australias-decline-in-mass-shootings-44770
    The government should thus try to detect potential attackers and mentally disturbed people instead of restricting the freedom of ordinary people ad infinitum. Unfortunately the currently responsible politicians seem to be in a hurry to implement obviously flawed and misdirected laws and regulations without proper inquiries so please act now because the anti-gun lobby is trying hard to restrict your rights, and they will not stop with this ban – just wait and see.

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  6. Rod Woods Avatar
    Rod Woods

    Pump and semi-auto shotguns with tubular fixed magazines are permitted to hold 5 rounds of a size determined by the chamber length, so five 3-1/2″ shells are OK in a gun with a 3-1/2″ chamber, regardless of the fact that it may hold more shells of a shorter length.

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    1. The Kiwi Gun Blog Avatar
      The Kiwi Gun Blog

      thanks ron

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  7. Douglas Avatar
    Douglas

    You cannot actually make a submission at the moment, it has no link for making a submission and it does not appear on the current open submissions list.
    https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/sc/make-a-submission/open

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    1. The Kiwi Gun Blog Avatar
      The Kiwi Gun Blog

      correct. join shooterslottery.org.nz mailing list and we will update

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  8. Dave Avatar
    Dave

    So how does that with for a. 22 with a tube mag? How do I know it its chambered for .22LR not shorts?

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    1. The Kiwi Gun Blog Avatar
      The Kiwi Gun Blog

      gone

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  9. Abel2 Avatar
    Abel2

    Dunno what the problem is.
    MSSA are gone…. that’s all…..you expected what else?
    Semi auto pump shotguns ok. Does someone own a shotty with a box mag? Too bad.

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    1. Gerard Avatar
      Gerard

      The problem is the section 74 addition where the Governor General can rubberstamp the declaration of any ammunition (read calibre) unlawful. With no consultation and no ‘Democracy’ required.
      So today this law bans everything more interesting than a 10/22.
      Next week, your .338 Lupua is gone. Next month, your .303 british is gone. Two months after that, no more .454 Cassul. By 2019, no more 0.357 and no more 45ACP, because who needs handguns?
      All without passing any new laws.

      So the problem today is the loss of property rights, the confiscation of property, and the demonisation of previously law abiding firearms owners, 237999 of whom did nothing wrong. The problem is, when they get away with it today, they will do it again tomorrow.

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      1. Abel2 Avatar
        Abel2

        You better settle down.
        If you think firearm property rights have any currency in this climate or ever I’ve got a bridge for sale, bargain price. You won’t change that.
        If you think, say, a .5 Barrett is going to be legal tender in the future you’re going to be disappointed.
        Generally used/ equivalent/ similar rifle calibers will be ok, watch.
        Registration will be tried and end up like Canada, a grey failure, but that won’t worry govt, who must “seem”.
        Rough road ahead. Govt will get away with overreaction initially (“never let a crisis go to waste”), what we have is a solid 9% max voting block if ever anyone can find a way to utilise it.

        Handguns are outside my area.

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    2. Steve Avatar
      Steve

      (ii) means any other magazine, whether or not detachable, that is capable of holding more than 10 cartridges
      also bans almost all .22 lever/pump/bolt actions with a tubular magazine

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  10. Vigilant Citizen Avatar
    Vigilant Citizen

    We should all have a good honest think to ourselves about these so called “legislators” and police for who are they making the most noise about? It’s not the gangs or the “terrorists” – not even criminals they care for. They are making the most NOISE about law-abiding firearms owners.

    Why??

    Because we are the biggest threat to them. Think about this – For how long have we been bombarded by the main-stream media and the never-ending “ultra-vires” policies that are being implemented? Not to mention we have been effectively BLOCKED from any input in to this law reform. It’s radical left-wing biased draconian nonsense being pushed down everyone’s throats.

    Order out of chaos. Subjugation imminent.

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  11. Xpat Avatar
    Xpat

    Sorry Abel2, no offence, but you’re off in the land of stardust and unicorns with what’s presently occurring. Gerard is probably right on the money as to what will happen.

    Two things to remember…

    The first being Australian experience. The systematic Government gun grab started with semi-auto centrefire firearms, then rim fire, pump actions and few years later they came for the bulk of centrefire pistols. Then they came after the ammunition with the most oppressive conditions being applied to purchases.

    I speak from personal experience, this is going to get a whole lot worse.

    Secondly, you must understand our political position at the hands of elected officials at present. To be precise, we don’t have a position, or in deed any rights, or for that matter support from any politician, or political party…excluding David Seymour from ACT party.

    Labour, Nationals, NZ First, have all thrown us under the bus. Please don’t tell me how your local elected official is a top bloke or woman, because unless they have stood up stating on public record their opposition, then just regard them as worthless self serving excrement.

    We are meant to live in a democracy. Accordingly fairness, equity, consultation, due process and alike should be afforded to all citizens in the process of passing legislation.

    Mr Seymour to his credit has highlighted this fact, and shown honesty and integrity, but will suggest he’ll be the lone voice in parliament.

    The mainstay politicians are actually very angered at Mr Seymour’s stance, as now they will have no option but to force through emergency legislation without unanimous cross party support. This exposes the Government to endlessly having to stave off civil actions, judicial reviews, and challenges to that pesky Bill of Rights.

    While I didn’t vote for Mr Seymour, he has my thanks and respect for acting with courage and conviction.

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  12. Abel2 Avatar
    Abel2

    “Then they came after the ammunition with the most oppressive conditions being applied to purchases”. Nonsense . You’ll find that all the ‘oppressive conditions’ amount to is producing a firearms licence when you buy ammo retail…. handloading components the same. There are no other restrictions vs pre 1996 rules
    Aust banned all semi autos… rimfire, shotties, everything…. on day one… plus pumps on day one.
    Already NZ has a much better situation with the new laws.

    You’ll pine for your MSSA, but in reality not much at all has happened for the vast bulk of firearm users.

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    1. Sitting Duc Avatar
      Sitting Duc

      Last I heard in Oz, the calibre(s) you own are noted on your license. You have a 6.5 creedmore and your friend has a 7mm-08, and you want to go hunting for a week together. You cannot buy ammunition for him. You each have to buy the ammunition for the calibre you own, and are allowed no others.

      Things can get a lot worse.

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      1. Abel2 Avatar
        Abel2

        My mate’s NSW Firearms Licence has no calibers noted on it.
        Even if it did, you’re constructing a non serious, very minor convenience event, mountains and molehills, if buying your own ammo is somehow unbearably oppressive ….you have a problem.

        So far this legislation is the very best outcome we could have expected.
        Believe me.

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    2. Xpat Avatar
      Xpat

      The greatest problem with left wing trolls like you, is that you never actually research a subject, instead you try to shout over people like a subject matter expert…which clearly you are not.

      Firearms Ammendment (Ammunition Control) Bill 2012.
      -Every round of ammunition purchased requires the dealer to record, the brand and type of ammunition, the purchasers licence, purchasers address etc.
      -Total prohibition on the private sale of ammunition.
      -Total prohibition of any ammunition unless you hold a registered firearm in that calibre.
      -Produce firearms registration certificate to prove you have a firearm in the calibre of ammunition being purchased for many categories of firearms

      In 2017 further amendments were made, whereby, an address no longer was required to be recorded.

      To further concrete your lack of knowledge Abel2, there is no restrictions of the purchase of reloading components, only gun powders.

      While you’re making a giant illiterate bell end out of yourself….Australia did not ban all semi-autos, rimfires, shotguns and pumps on day one as you stated. In fact you can still purchase all the aforementioned firearms if you hold the correct Catagory of firearms licence.

      Items were banned from general use and this was progressively implemented as legislation and buyback schemes became enshrined in law in each State.

      You sealed your own fate as a far left troll by the grandiose statement…”already NZ has a much better situation with the new laws”. NO, the situation is far worse actually. At least Australian legislation was implemented by due process of law, after consultation.

      Full buyback schemes were implemented prior to surrender of firearms with lists giving pre defined sums. In other words, I knew what I’d be paid for a Colt 45 ACP or an L1A1 SLR before reaching the buyback centre.

      Incidentally, I don’t own any MSSA firearms, so I won’t pine for anything, other than due democratic process that haven’t been followed.

      Anyway, I’ll let you get back to pumping the neighbours cat, making up more incorrect gun facts, or whatever floats your sad little life as a troll.

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      1. Abel2 Avatar
        Abel2

        Oh dear….
        In NSW there is no requirement to produce firearm reg certificates…from personal experience. You don’t seem to understand that if you provide a licence all of that info is automatically recorded anyway.
        And you agree with me there’s no difficulty in buying reloading gear and components…good.

        “Australia did not ban all semi-autos, rimfires, shotguns and pumps on day one as you stated. In fact you can still purchase all the aforementioned firearms if you hold the correct Catagory of firearms licence.”

        You idiot…..I haven’t got the time to include minor esoteric licencing exceptions for commercial pest destruction and roo meat shooters etc…. in general, all semi auto longarms in Australia were banned for use by the general population on day one. An A / B licence , the vast majority, won’t let you use ANY semi auto
        Of course it was ALL state legislation and was taken up at the speed the various states chose to implement the Federal agreement. You mightn’t understand how that works coming from tiny NZ with no States.

        “NO, the situation is far worse actually. At least Australian legislation was implemented by due process of law, after consultation.”
        Clearly a rubbish statement.
        The recent NZ Legislation allows semi auto shotties <5 rounds, pump shotties <5 rounds and 22 rimfire semi autos <10 rounds.
        ALL BANNED FOR AVERAGE USERS IN AUSTRALIA.
        Not so in NZ.

        Feeling silly yet?

        Get over your MSSA and badly informed BS ….they're gone forever.

        (NZ might even , just possibly, allow Browning and Remington centerfire semi auto hunting rifles with limited built in mags, Australia does not).

        (Handguns are not my area.)

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  13. J Doe Avatar
    J Doe

    Submission line is open guys! Go hard! Given us only one day so don’t fu*k around!

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  14. JD Young Avatar
    JD Young

    pump-action shotgun that has a non-detachable tubular magazine or magazines that are capable of holding more than 5 cartridges commensurate with that firearm’s chamber size;

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  15. J Doe Avatar
    J Doe

    Please tell me they haven’t pulled that petition? Why is it saying closed? Had 20 days to go.

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    1. Kathryn Avatar
      Kathryn

      Oral submissions are only “by invitation”… so I guess that means only anti-gunners will get to be invited….Cahill the mendacious and his cohorts…

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  16. Abel2 Avatar
    Abel2

    The clowns are going to give Jac cover if they keep it up.
    Over at Whaleoil a worthy is pushing concealed carry in his submission. It’s the sort of nonsense that gives the antis an easy one liner to conflate the gun kooks with sensible grown up firearm users.
    “Look”, implies Jac, “these people are marginal fools, not to be taken seriously”.
    Own goal boys.

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    1. J Doe Avatar
      J Doe

      What kind of fu*ktard puts down concealment on their submission?!?!?

      Those kind of remarks will be the only ones read out, not the ones from the realistic mature shooters. Shame on anyone who’s continued to make us look like gun toting hip gangster wannabes.

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      1. Abel2 Avatar
        Abel2

        Yeah, and wonder I do how many are Alpers plants.

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  17. Shorty oxford Avatar
    Shorty oxford

    Sit tight don’ t panic…..many of us licenced owners now apparently breaking the law…just wait it out….so much is still unclear

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